This third Kaupapa Māori evaluation blog post describes the methodology, methods and lessons learned from a Kaupapa Māori evaluation conducted in Aotearoa New Zealand in the late 1990s. BackgroundHe Oranga Poutama was part of a broader effort called Omangia Te Oma Roa (Run the Long Journey/Participate for Life), which aimed to facilitate Māori aspirations for health and wellbeing by coordinating policy developments and service delivery across various government agencies. The philosophy of Omangia Te Oma Roa was that physical leisure (sport and recreation) was an effective medium for reaching Māori and promoting health and wellness. He Oranga Poutama was initially developed by the Hillary Commission and subsequently established as a key strategy for promoting Māori health through physical activity. The initiative involved the recruitment and training of Māori health and wellbeing coordinators (kaiwhakahaere) who worked to increase awareness of the benefits of physical activity and injury prevention within Māori communities. The focus of the second-year evaluation of He Oranga Poutama was on changes in Māori community behaviours and attitudes towards sports and recreation as a result of the initiative. The evaluation covered events organized by kaiwhakahaere (coordinators) at four project sites: Tauranga, Whakatane, Auckland Central, and Rotorua. Kaupapa Māori MethodologyThe evaluation of He Oranga Poutama was conducted using a Kaupapa Māori (Māori approach) framework, which emphasizes Māori values, cultural practices, and community involvement. Kaupapa Māori research is concerned with methodology rather than method, focusing on culturally appropriate and community-centred approaches. This involved several key principles, including:
MethodsThe methods used in the evaluation of He Oranga Poutama were designed to be culturally responsive, respectful, and empowering. By aligning with the principles of Kaupapa Māori, the evaluation process honoured Māori values and perspectives, ensuring that the findings were meaningful and relevant to the community. The combination of survey questionnaires, in-depth interviews, focus groups, participant observation, and reflective journals provided a rich and comprehensive understanding of the events’ impact on Māori health and well-being. This approach exemplifies the potential of culturally grounded methodologies in conducting effective and meaningful evaluations within Indigenous communities. 1. Survey Questionnaires
Strengths: The use of survey questionnaires allowed for the collection of standardized data, making it possible to compare results across different sites and events. The involvement of local interviewers enhanced the cultural appropriateness of the method. Challenges: Ensuring high response rates and accurate data collection in a dynamic event environment can be challenging. Training and supporting interviewers was essential to address these challenges. 2. In-Depth InterviewsDescription: In-depth interviews were conducted with key stakeholders, including event organizers (kaiwhakahaere), community leaders, and participants. These interviews aimed to gather detailed qualitative data on their experiences, motivations, and perceptions of the events. Application: Interviewers used semi-structured interview guides to ensure that key topics were covered while allowing for flexibility and in-depth exploration of issues. Interviews were conducted in a respectful and culturally appropriate manner, often incorporating elements of tikanga Māori (Māori customs and traditions). Strengths: In-depth interviews provided rich, detailed insights into the experiences and perspectives of stakeholders. This method allowed for a deeper understanding of the cultural context and the impact of the events on the community. Challenges: Conducting in-depth interviews requires skilled interviewers who can build rapport with participants and navigate sensitive topics. Ensuring the confidentiality and comfort of participants was crucial. 3. Focus GroupsDescription: Focus groups were organized to facilitate discussions among participants and stakeholders. These group discussions provided an opportunity to explore collective views, experiences, and suggestions for improvement. Application: Focus groups were conducted in a relaxed and supportive environment, encouraging open and honest discussion. Facilitators guided the conversations, ensuring that all participants had an opportunity to contribute. The focus groups often started with a whakawhanaungatanga (relationship-building) activity to establish trust and connection. Strengths: Focus groups allowed for the exploration of shared experiences and collective insights. This method facilitated the identification of common themes and issues, enriching the overall understanding of the events’ impact. Challenges: Managing group dynamics and ensuring that all voices were heard required skilled facilitation. Creating a safe and respectful environment was essential for meaningful discussion. 4. Participant ObservationDescription: Participant observation involved evaluators immersing themselves in the events, observing interactions, activities, and the overall atmosphere. This method aimed to provide a holistic understanding of the events and their impact on the community. Application: Evaluators participated in the events as observers, taking detailed field notes on their observations. They focused on aspects such as participant engagement, interactions between whānau (extended family) members, and the integration of health promotion messages. Strengths: Participant observation provided context and depth to the evaluation findings. It allowed evaluators to capture the nuances of the events and the cultural dynamics at play. Challenges: Maintaining an objective perspective while being immersed in the event can be challenging. Balancing participation and observation required careful consideration and reflexivity. 5. Reflective Journals
Strengths: Reflective journals supported evaluators in maintaining a reflexive approach, allowing them to critically examine their own biases, assumptions, and positionality. This method contributed to the integrity and authenticity of the evaluation. Challenges: Maintaining consistent and detailed journal entries required discipline and commitment. Ensuring that reflections were honest and constructive was essential for the effectiveness of this method. Key Evaluation FindingsDemographics: The majority of participants were Māori, with a significant portion aged between 16 and 40 years. There was a relatively even gender distribution. Attendance and Motivation: Participants primarily attended to support whānau, play sports, or enjoy the event. Whānau networks were a crucial factor in recruiting participants and spectators. Health Behaviours: Many participants reported reducing smoking and alcohol consumption during the events. A significant number set personal goals related to increasing fitness and participating in more sports. Event Success: Most participants and stakeholders felt the events were successful, highlighting the importance of whanaungatanga (kinship) and community involvement. Key Learnings from the Use of Kaupapa Māori Evaluation MethodologyThese key points highlight the valuable lessons learned from employing a Kaupapa Māori evaluation methodology in the He Oranga Poutama initiative. The culturally responsive and community-centred approach not only enhanced the evaluation process but also contributed to the empowerment and well-being of the Māori communities involved. Cultural relevance enhances engagement
Building trust through local interviewers
Community ownership and empowerment
Holistic understanding through mixed methods
Importance of reflexivity
Continuous improvement through feedback
Cultural integrity in evaluation
ConclusionHe Oranga Poutama successfully promoted sports and healthy lifestyles among Māori communities. The events fostered a sense of whanaungatanga (relationships) and provided platforms for participants to set and achieve personal health goals. The initiative's culturally relevant approach and strong community engagement were key to its success. Ongoing support, innovative health promotion strategies, and continuous improvement based on community feedback will further enhance the program's impact. The initiative stands as a model for culturally grounded health promotion, demonstrating the power of Indigenous knowledge and practices in fostering well-being. The use of Kaupapa Māori evaluation methodology in the evaluation of He Oranga Poutama was instrumental in creating a culturally responsive, respectful, and empowering evaluation process. This methodology not only enhanced the engagement and participation of Māori communities but also ensured that the evaluation findings were meaningful, relevant and useable. By honouring Māori values and perspectives, this Kaupapa Māori evaluation provided a robust framework for understanding and promoting health and well-being within Māori communities. Glossary
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Aroha ki te Tangata (Love for the People)Aroha ki te tangata involves showing respect and love for people, allowing them to define their own space and meet on their own terms. This value is foundational to establishing respectful and trusting relationships between evaluators/researchers and participants. It acknowledges the importance of compassion, empathy, and care, and ensures that research practices are aligned with the well-being and aspirations of the community |
He Kanohi Kitea (Being a Seen Face)
This practice helps to establish credibility and fosters deeper connections, which are essential for conducting meaningful and authentic research. It also respects the community's need for ongoing engagement and accountability beyond the immediate research project.
Whakawhanaungatanga (Making Connections)
In Kaupapa Māori research and evaluation, whakawhanaungatanga ensures that the research process is embedded within the community's social fabric, promoting mutual support and understanding. It is through these connections that evaluators and researchers can gain deeper insights and foster genuine collaboration with participants.
Titiro, Whakarongo… Kōrero (Look, Listen… Speak)This value advises evaluators and researchers to first look and listen before speaking. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the context and perspectives of the community before making contributions. This approach encourages evaluators and researchers to be observant and attentive, ensuring that their actions and words are informed by a deep understanding of the community's needs and aspirations. By prioritising listening and observation, evaluators and researchers can avoid making assumptions and ensure that their interventions are relevant and respectful. This practice fosters a more inclusive and participatory research process, where the voices of community members are heard and valued. |
Manaaki ki te Tangata (Sharing and Hosting)
This practice not only fosters a sense of community and mutual support but also enhances the overall effectiveness of the research. By being generous and supportive, evaluators and researchers can build stronger relationships and promote a more positive and collaborative research environment.
Kia Tūpato (Being Cautious)
This practice requires evaluators and researchers to be mindful of the potential impacts of their work on the community and to act in ways that protect and uphold the community's dignity and well-being. It also involves being reflective and self-critical, ensuring that research practices do not inadvertently harm or disempower participants.
Kaua e Takahia te Mana o te Tangata (Do Not Trample on the Dignity of People)
By adhering to this principle, evaluators and researchers ensure that their work does not exploit or marginalize participants but instead respects their inherent worth and contributions. This practice fosters trust and mutual respect, which are essential for successful and ethical research.
Kia Māhaki (Being Humble)
Humility in research means acknowledging the expertise and insights of community members and valuing their contributions. It also involves being open to feedback and willing to adapt one's approach based on the needs and perspectives of the community.
ConclusionThe community-up ethical values of Kaupapa Māori research and evaluation provide a robust framework for conducting research that is culturally responsive and respectful. These values emphasize the importance of relationships, respect, reciprocity, and humility, guiding evaluators and researchers to engage with Māori communities in ways that are empowering and aligned with their cultural values. |
Further Reading
Smith, L. T. (2021). Decolonizing methodologies: Research and Indigenous peoples. 3rd Edition. Bloomsbury.
Pipi, K., Cram, F., Hawke, R., Hawke, S., Huriwai, T., Mataki, T., ... & Tuuta, C. (2004). A research ethic for studying Māori and iwi provider success. Social Policy Journal of New Zealand, 23, 141-153.
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3. Kaupapa Māori Evaluation - Case Example
Author - Fiona Cram, PhDNgāti Pāhauwera, Aotearoa New Zealand Acknowledgement I would like to acknowledge the assistance of AI technology in the preparation of this blog. The use of OpenAI’s language model, ChatGPT, was instrumental in summarising the evaluation report described here. |
Kaupapa Māori evaluation is an Indigenous methodology rooted in Māori cultural values, principles, and worldview. It is fundamentally about doing evaluation in a way that is by Māori, for Māori, and with Māori, ensuring that Māori voices, perspectives, and knowledge are central to the evaluation process. This approach contrasts sharply with conventional evaluation methods that often marginalize or overlook Indigenous perspectives. The essence of Kaupapa Māori evaluation is to validate and legitimize Māori ways of knowing, being, and doing, fostering self-determination and cultural revitalization. |
Colonisation and its impact
The foundations of Kaupapa Māori evaluation
The principles of Kaupapa Māori theory are:
1. Tino Rangatiratanga (Self-determination): Ensuring Māori control over the evaluation process and outcomes.
2. Taonga Tuku Iho (Cultural Aspirations): Valuing and promoting Māori cultural beliefs and practices.
3. Ako (Culturally Preferred Pedagogy): Utilizing teaching and learning practices that align with Māori preferences.
4. Kia Piki Ake i Nga Raruraru o te Kāinga (Socioeconomic Mediation): Addressing and mediating socioeconomic challenges faced by Māori communities.
5. Whānau (Extended Family Structure): Recognizing and reinforcing the importance of extended family networks.
6. Kaupapa (Collective Philosophy): Upholding a collective vision and commitment to Māori well-being.
7. Te Tiriti o Waitangi (Treaty of Waitangi): Affirming the rights of Māori as both tangata whenua (Indigenous peoples) and citizens of Aotearoa New Zealand.
8. Āta (Growing Respectful Relationships): Encompassing the building and maintaining of respectful relationships.
Methodological approachKaupapa Māori evaluation is both a methodological and a philosophical approach. It involves a cyclical process of engagement, reflection, and action that ensures that evaluations are culturally relevant and responsive. The methodology emphasizes relationship-building (whakawhanaungatanga) and is guided by ethical practices that respect and honour Māori values. Whakawhanaungatanga is the process of establishing and maintaining relationships, which is crucial in Kaupapa Māori evaluation. It ensures that evaluators are connected to the community and that the evaluation process is collaborative and inclusive. This approach contrasts with traditional evaluation methods that may adopt a more detached and objective stance. Another key aspect is the use of Mātauranga Māori (Māori knowledge) in the evaluation process. This involves integrating Māori epistemologies and ontologies, which provide a framework for understanding and interpreting the world from a Māori perspective. This approach ensures that evaluations are not only culturally appropriate but also meaningful and beneficial to Māori communities. |
Practical application
1. Planning and Design: Engaging with the community to define the scope and objectives of the evaluation. This stage involves identifying key stakeholders and ensuring that their voices and perspectives are included.
2. Data Collection: Using methods that are culturally appropriate and respectful. This may include hui (meetings), wānanga (workshops), and other forms of collective discussion and decision-making.
3. Data Analysis: Interpreting the data through a Māori lens, ensuring that the analysis reflects Māori values and perspectives and incorporates a structural analysis of what prevents Māori from flourishing.
4. Reporting and Dissemination: Sharing the findings in ways that are accessible and meaningful to the community. This may involve oral presentations, written reports, and other forms of communication that are culturally responsive.
A key feature of Kaupapa Māori evaluation is its emphasis on capacity building. Evaluators work alongside community members to develop their skills and knowledge, enabling them to undertake their own evaluations in the future. This approach not only empowers the community but also ensures the sustainability of the evaluation process.
Challenges and opportunities
Case study: Health researchAn example of Kaupapa Māori evaluation in action can be seen in the field of health research. Māori health researchers have developed evaluation frameworks that are grounded in Māori values and principles. These frameworks emphasize the importance of whānau and community well-being, rather than focusing solely on individual outcomes. One such framework is the 1996 Hongoeka Declaration for Māori Health Research, which outlines a vision for Māori health research that is determined and coordinated by Māori, working with and for Māori. This declaration highlights the importance of self-determination, cultural relevance, and community engagement in the research and evaluation process. By using these frameworks, Māori health researchers have been able to conduct evaluations that are culturally meaningful and relevant. This has led to more effective health interventions and improved health outcomes for Māori communities. |
Conclusion
Through its emphasis on relationship-building, capacity building, and cultural relevance, Kaupapa Māori evaluation provides a model for how evaluation can be conducted in ways that are respectful, empowering, and transformative. As we move forward, it is essential to continue to learn from and build upon these practices, ensuring that Indigenous voices and perspectives are at the forefront of evaluation processes and outcomes (Cram, Pipi, & Paipa, 2018).
References
Smith, L. T. (2021). Decolonizing methodologies: Research and indigenous peoples (3rd Edition ed.). New York: Zed Books.
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2. Kaupapa Māori Evaluation – Community-Up Values
3. Kaupapa Māori Evaluation - Case Example
Author - Fiona Cram, PhDNgāti Pāhauwera, Aotearoa New Zealand |
A 4-part blog series about the drought in Zambia, by John T. Njovu
Also read: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
Part 4. The disempowerment of clan heads by British colonialists
Governance evaluation
Government distribution of Relief Food
The call by most of the people of the Nyalugwe chiefdom that I met during my study tour was for more supplies of food from the DMMU (Disaster Management and Mitigation Unit). They also called on their high net-worth relatives, civil society, and well-wishers to come to their assistance. TUpon returning from the Kasansamula, I joined the big crowd of villagers that had gathered at Chamilala Primary School. The next distribution point to the one in Chamilala was about 40-50 km away at Uyanya Primary School. They were on Great East Road and some 3-5 kms from the Luangwa bridge. |
Conclusion: A call for assistance, unity and ceremony
Author - John T. Njovu, ZambiaJohn T. Njovu is a renowned Zambian Economist, Indigenous Evaluator, Author, Film Producer, and Civic Activist. He has been for the past three decades an active member of the development evaluation community. He has served in both the public and private sector. His civic involvement in non-profits has enhanced those he has been involved in locally and abroad. |
There is not much data on the effects of climate change and economics of climate change in Zambia or the rest of Africa. I have been using my own resources to start studying and filming the effects of climate change in the Luangwa basin. I am grateful to receive a pledge of support from EvalIndigenous to support my efforts. This has been made possible through its receipt of a 2024 grant from the Ford Foundation.
A 4-part blog series about the drought in Zambia, by John T. Njovu
Also read: Part 1, Part 2
Part 3. The shadow economy
Charcoal burning causing deforestation
In search of hidden gold
The forsaken settlement of beautiful Luangwa River
Self-poisoning
Read Part 4. The disempowerment of clan heads by British colonialists
Author - John T. Njovu, ZambiaJohn T. Njovu is a renowned Zambian Economist, Indigenous Evaluator, Author, Film Producer, and Civic Activist. He has been for the past three decades an active member of the development evaluation community. He has served in both the public and private sector. His civic involvement in non-profits has enhanced those he has been involved in locally and abroad. |
There is not much data on the effects of climate change and economics of climate change in Zambia or the rest of Africa. I have been using my own resources to start studying and filming the effects of climate change in the Luangwa basin. I am grateful to receive a pledge of support from EvalIndigenous to support my efforts. This has been made possible through its receipt of a 2024 grant from the Ford Foundation.
A 4-part blog series about the drought in Zambia, by John T. Njovu
Also read: Part 1
Part 2. Broken down family ties
Other urgent challenges that need attention
Stealthy grabbers of Indigenous land
I have been helping the villagers in the area of COMACO’s activities to evaluate their partnerships with such development intervenors. As a member of EvalIndigenous and a member of the Nyalugwe community, it is my obligation to help my community to be not taken advantage of by exploitative businesses and their local partners. |
Challenges of village youths
Crossing the crocodile infested Luangwa in a sinking boat
Medical challenges
Challenging terrain for vehicles
Read Part 3. The shadow economy
Author - John T. Njovu, ZambiaJohn T. Njovu is a renowned Zambian Economist, Indigenous Evaluator, Author, Film Producer, and Civic Activist. He has been for the past three decades an active member of the development evaluation community. He has served in both the public and private sector. His civic involvement in non-profits has enhanced those he has been involved in locally and abroad. |
There is not much data on the effects of climate change and economics of climate change in Zambia or the rest of Africa. I have been using my own resources to start studying and filming the effects of climate change in the Luangwa basin. I am grateful to receive a pledge of support from EvalIndigenous to support my efforts. This has been made possible through its receipt of a 2024 grant from the Ford Foundation.
Part 1. The wrath of the ancestral spirits and nature
Read Part 2. Broken down family ties
Author - John T. Njovu, ZambiaJohn T. Njovu is a renowned Zambian Economist, Indigenous Evaluator, Author, Film Producer, and Civic Activist. He has been for the past three decades an active member of the development evaluation community. He has served in both the public and private sector. His civic involvement in non-profits has enhanced those he has been involved in locally and abroad. |
There is not much data on the effects of climate change and economics of climate change in Zambia or the rest of Africa. I have been using my own resources to start studying and filming the effects of climate change in the Luangwa basin. I am grateful to receive a pledge of support from EvalIndigenous to support my efforts. This has been made possible through its receipt of a 2024 grant from the Ford Foundation.
One of the highlights was participating in a Sweat Lodge ceremony led by a First Nation Chief. It was a deeply spiritual and novel experience. This event underscored the communal sharing of experiences, joy, sorrow, and reverence for ancestors.
The Indigenous Gathering provided a platform for sharing personal journeys and organizational roles in Indigenous evaluations. Hearing firsthand accounts from North American Indigenous evaluators broadened my understanding and highlighted the challenges they face, offering a comparative perspective to the Asia Pacific Region.
The conference featured diverse sessions, including presentations, experience sharing sessions, nature walks, indigenous cultural events and acted as a great platform for networking. Alongside my colleagues from Asia Pacific Evaluation Association, we presented EvalIndigenous initiatives and the Toolkit for Indigenous Evaluations in the Asia Pacific in the conference. Sharing our work and engaging in discussions during the Q&A session was gratifying, highlighting the impact and appreciation from an international audience.
In conclusion, the Indigenous Evaluation Gathering and CES 24 were not just conferences but transformative experiences. They provided unparalleled networking opportunities, a chance to showcase our own efforts, and a rich learning environment. I extend my heartfelt gratitude to EvalIndigenous for this valuable opportunity, which has significantly enriched my professional and personal journey.
Gathering and the Canadian Evaluation Society (CES) Conference at Fredericton, New Brunswick,
Canada from May 3rd 2024 to May 9th, 2024. Our team members from Asia Pacific Evaluation
Association (APEA) had the honour of presenting at the CES Conference for the session titled
“Amplifying Indigenous V oices: Advancing Equity and Inclusion in Evaluation Practices.” During
this session, the APEA team presented the Toolkit for Indigenous Evaluations in the Asia Pacific
Region and on the seed grant projects supported by EvalIndigenous.
Also, attending the Indigenous Evaluation Gathering was a life-changing experience for my
personal & professional life. It opened my eye and broaden my knowledge on self-love,
appreciation, gratefulness & mindfulness. Also, it further deepened my appreciation for the
resilience, knowledge, and strength of Indigenous communities. Seeing their commitment to
preserving and revitalizing nature, their cultures and languages & practices was incredibly a
remarkable experience. Therefore, I learned that as evaluators we need to respect their cultural
beliefs, practices, while working with indigenous communities regardless of their origin, social &
economical background. Finally, I am thankful & grateful for all those beautiful new friends I met
& the new connections I made during the conference.
Celeste Ghiano
Argentina. Past-President of ReLAC
Iniciamos los días 4 y 5 reuniéndonos entre ritos y ceremonias, con la Comunidad Sitansik Wolastoqiyik (St. Mary’s) First Nation, para compartirnos muy generosamente su “modo de ser y estar en el mundo”. Nunca dejo de sorprenderme sobre la cantidad de modos en que aun podemos entender y entonces transformar los procesos evaluativos para que sean realmente legítimos y útiles para las comunidades en las que queremos contribuir a transformar.
El recorrido inició con una verdadera inmersión en la perspectiva de esta comunidad a través de la participación en una Sweat Lodge, que con otros nombres también se realiza en otras comunidades de diferentes latitudes del mundo (en Latinoamérica la llamamos Temazcal).
Limpiar (el espíritu, la mente, el cuerpo), sanar, reconciliar, pedir, perdonar, y ser conscientes de todas nuestras relaciones (no solo con seres humanos, sino con la naturaleza, otros seres, etc).
Continuamos con ceremonias donde el fuego siempre estuvo presente, así como el agua, en el marco del Rio Saint John – originalmente río Wolastoq- para recordarnos que “todos estamos conectados”, como las arterias y las venas.
Tuvimos la posibilidad de utilizar todos los sentidos, si, también nuestras manos elaborando tambores, como los instrumentos que nos conectan con nuestros ancestros y llaman a los espíritus para acompañarnos. Sin importar cuáles eran nuestras diferentes – pero allí conectadas- creencias.
También vivimos en carne propia el marchar, en el marco del Red Day Dress, un recordatorio y reclamo por las vidas perdidas de mujeres indígenas luchadoras. Es indescriptible la fuerza que allí se sentía, lo más parecido a una madre dando a luz, y la compañía de todas esas mujeres que aún están muy presentes.
Con todas estas experiencias en la piel, en la mente, en el corazón comenzamos a transitar la Conferencia de la Sociedad Canadiense de Evaluación, no casualmente este año llamada “Renewal and Confluence: Navigating the future of Evaluation” . Un grupo de unas 30 personas pudimos asistir, intercambiar, dialogar y también confrontar algunas perspectivas tradicionales de evaluación, ofreciendo una mirada culturalmente responsiva desde las propuestas de los pueblos ancestrales pero también desde la protección contra la todavía persistente discriminación por raza y etnia, en un increíble evento con unas 500 personas de diferentes latitudes y pertenencias.
Cerramos la semana produciendo nuestra Declaración para una Evaluación Indígena sentida y útil, entendiendo que nuestro propio proceso evaluativo es una ofrenda.
Soy una promotora muy insistente sobre la necesidad de cambiar los modos en que transmitimos los conocimientos y experiencias. Hemos sido pioneros en la Conferencia ReLAC 2022 realizando rituales para ofrecer y compartir los saberes en el campo de la evaluación, buscando generar consciencia sobre la legitimidad y uso de nuestras evaluaciones. Lo hemos comprobado también en el intercambio en la Conferencia AfrEA 2024 (vinculando saberes entre Latinoamérica y África).
Regreso de Canadá con la convicción de que aprendemos con los sentidos.
Los míos regresan completos y listos para seguir transmitiendo de este modo para crecer colectiva y solidariamente, con la seguridad de que, así, seguimos todos conectados…